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August 28, 2009
(Page 11 of 19)

mountaingirl, Obama got the consent of the governed. The Constitution set up an election system as a follow on to the Declaration of Independence. The declaration is not the framework for our democracy. You read the constitution. If you want to throw it out, you are the activist. As far as I could tell, a majority wanted this government. Also, I have read most of the bill, site me the references for the access to financials (realtime) that you reference.

  • wildcat1 said...
    3:20pm, Thursday Aug 13

    mountaingirl, additionally, the government already has free access to your bank account. All major credit institutions, as well as most intelligence agencies and the NSA. How do you think they keep record of transactions, tranfers, etc. Everything in the digital world is out there.

  • mountaingirl said...
    3:30pm, Thursday Aug 13

    Well, tried to copy and paste so I wouldn't have to waste time typing info from a bill that you already read, but unfortuantly it wouldn't post right, so references you are requesting are on HR3200 sec. 163 pgs 58 lines 5-13 (real time access to financials) and Sec. 163 pg 59 lines 21-24, direct access to your bank account.

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    And you are right, Obama did get the consent of the governed. Unfortuently for him, the majority of the governed are getting really upset by his governing.

  • mountaingirl said...
    3:35pm, Thursday Aug 13

    Oh, I'm sorry, for those of you that are not sure where you can go to read the bill, here is the link: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf

  • wildcat1 said...
    3:45pm, Thursday Aug 13

    mountaingirl... lines 5-13 " enable "real time...determination of an individuals financial responsibility at the point of service.. whether the individual is eligible for a specific service..." That doesn't call for realtime access to your account. That only specifies that you have financial responsibility at the point of service. Just your RESPONSIBILITY, not your ability or the current balance. That is similar to whether you are responsible for your children's finances for insurance purposes (it's a YES or NO thing). NOT what the balance is in your account at that moment. Lines 21-24 enables electronic funds transfer (read ATM card) to pay bills. It allows you to set it up, not forcing you to use it. It's for your convenience just like at Target or Sears or anywhere else.

  • mountaingirl said...
    3:51pm, Thursday Aug 13

    You can also go here: http://www.lc.org/media/9980/attachments/healthcare_overview_obama_072909.pdf for a more understandable summarization of the bill, it gives references on where to go in the bill for specific items. Now when you compare some of the items in the summary to what is in the bill, it doesn't really sound like they are talking about the same things, but some of the more disturbing items are pretty much in plain english on the bill.

  • wildcat1 said...
    3:55pm, Thursday Aug 13

    LC.org is hardly an honest broker in this. They are part of the GOP base.

  • mountaingirl said...
    3:59pm, Thursday Aug 13

    Wildcat - Right....is that how you read it? real-time (or near real

    time) determination of an individual's financial

    responsibility at the point of service. Real time - that would be now right? So the government has access to my financial information now (real time). financial information would be most likely credit report info which anyone can gain access to, but to go to the Dr, have them swipe my "health card" and have it then go to the gov't for them to pull my credit report at that time and see if I qualify for that service or not? No thanks. As for: enable electronic funds transfers, in

    order to allow automated reconciliation with the

    related health care payment and remittance. That no where says "optional". It reads to me as: If the gov't says I can have a certain procedure and they "pay" for it, and then they change their mind because a panel made up of several people say so, then they "deduct" the funds from my acct for "automated reconciliation". Again - no thanks

  • mdsha_d6 said...
    3:59pm, Thursday Aug 13

    mountaingirl like rush dumbaugh you are lying and misrepresenting. The underlying fact is that the heath care and insurance cartels have had three decades to reform health care and provide a reasonable service for a reasonable cost, they failed due to greed and incompetence now there is a need for a lower overhead system (administrators not making $500 per hour) and bilking the users for the exhorbinant salaries. The corporate healthcare warlords have proven without a doubt they will never be interested providing value, Now they will have competition. The healthcare charges have risen astronomically and not within any reason. It is gutting the US GDP. Perhaps the low overhead, high subscribership competition will force them to provide value or die off. The fear mongers like you just want us all not to have a choice and to have to go to the current cartels and be ripped off.

  • mountaingirl said...
    4:01pm, Thursday Aug 13
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